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Filipino - Foreigner relationships why do they go wrong?

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

 

I expect to get a lot of feedback from this as its something ive been looking at for nearly a year now. Why do relationships between Filipinas and Foreigners go wrong. There are many factors and although every relationship is unique many of the problems are similar.

As a British male i am confident and although i have respect for older generations and the knowledge they have i wouldnt let someone force a judgement i didnt agree with. I have a fairly high standard of living and have a lot of luxuries in life that most people in the Philippines only get to see on the TV.

Now most Filipinas that are either pro-active in looking for a foreign male are either from low or middle class backgrounds and have experience and knowledge of real poverty. Many have seen relatives die from medical needs which if there was money available wouldnt have happend. They live day to day as looking further in the future only gets hopes up that are unlikely to develop all in all the Filipina is practical with life.

Many find guys on the net generations older and this is where complications start. The majority of filipinas arent out to rob you blind and are likely to be loyal,loving and put the husband before most things over time. But you have to be practical to if your a 50+ guy with a 19+ woman she may like to cruise the malls with you and be content with all life throws but you have to give a bit back. Its ok sitting around most of the time but people need to be busy. Yes your semi or completely retired but your wife/girlfriend isnt and needs to get up to things that keep her occupied. Ive met several expats that treat their other half as a second citizen and this is likely to come back and bite them hard when they least expect it. Because although Filipinas will put up with crap for a time they dont have to and often will put up with it for the sake of peace but it doesnt mean they forget the way you treat them.

The other problem that occurs is many filipinas are lifted from poverty in one swoop and suddenly many family members are expecting to be lifted out of the same scenario and after helping a few members of family sometimes jelousy grows with other members that are outside the immediate family and also sometimes as a foreigner you are seen as an “outsider” a means to an end regardless of what you do. So be aware that not all problems are for you to fix and a lot of the time helping can make things a lot worse.

Aunts and parents, your new better half is likely to have a lot of responsibility and expectations to assist with aunts and parents that helped them through life with education, food on the table or anything else that happend before you met. Family is family here and a lot of the things i dont understand are put up with by families because of someone being an elder even though a lot of it pure greed or jelousy. A foreigner stamping his ground can make things worse for your wife and the best way ive seen people deal with this scenario is to create a distance from family via moving away from the families current location maybe not miles but far enough that your business becomes YOUR business and no one elses.

Communication is the key to keeping things rolling and working out from both sides, sometimes you will find your partner keeps things from you to save confrontation or sometimes to save you from worrying about things outside your control “that can be fixed when your back in the Philippines”. Because unlike your wife you are not ruled by family your still a foreigner and can use that card to advantage. But many people create a drama out of a crisis because of a wife being stuck between her loyalty to her family and her loyalty to you. Best thing is to try and deal with things diplomatically and get a better understanding of Filipino culture and its habits. You dont want to be hated by your wifes family and you dont want to be taken as a fool. A good wife understands this and will suffer a lot of stress unless you strike the balance for her. She looks to you for leadership because many of the solutions are between you and the family not your wife but she is the one taking the brunt from both sides.

Spending too much money, its a big problem and bigger than you think. Because as soon as your girlfriend wife is attached to a foreigner she is automatically given millionaire status and it doesnt matter how much she trys to explain that life is still difficult people just dont listen and many will try to take advantage of that. So try and keep things low key, you dont need to spend lots of money on nice cars,electronics or a big house because your wife is more likely to feel at home with a small house a few animals and a multicab than having to deal with prying eyes and worrys about theft. Because at the beginning you are unlikely to both be in the Philippines all the time together which means she has the responsibility of the property. You can imagine how she would feel if something was stolen. So please be aware of that!

The American dream, this one real bugs me because its pumped into the Filipino culture 24/7 and the false expectations that are given can be shattered when a wife first heads to America or anywhere else. This is where things go back to telling the truth and communication. I come from the UK if i moved there with my wife we would probably be living in a 2 bedroom apartment for the same price i can buy several houses and a farm in the Philippines. Explain these things and your standard of living and the variables of prices.

Foreign interference, Ive heard this several times by Americans not sure if the same problem happens in the UK but a lot of the mentality is questioned by foreign women telling Filipinas how things are in the West and that her husband is mistreating her and she shouldnt have to do this and that. Its something that is difficult to stop but it all comes down on how you treat each other. Yes  my asawa (wife) may give me a back massage even if she is tired. But i do the same back. We find a happy medium where we are both content.

The green eyed monster, this is also something that has come up time and time again and i have never experienced personally, yes i have had ex-girlfriends who happily lived off my back. But when we split i was content to just take a bag of clothes, my car and computers. I really cant be bothered with the lawyers taking everything at least that way someone walks away with the majority of the goods and both debt free. But i know in most cases it doesnt happen that way. Money can always be a problem in a relationship as much as it gives you the things you desire it can take the things that are most important. Thats why i really dont care about cash. As long as i can provide for my daughters and family everything else can float through life.

To make a relationship work you really need to keep awake on what is going on if something doesnt feel right then there is probably something you dont know but need to find out to keep on an even keal. Filipinos in general dont like confrontation or stress. Many people get confused with poverty because they base things on western ideals. But if youve lived in a Bamboo house all your life can eat 3 meals a day and have a job even low paid most filipinos are content. So try not to change people to much. Respect its a way of life and many are happy to stay that way its not your job to change it. Respect your partner take good care of her and she will do the same.

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Why The Philippines?

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

Many people in the UK see the Philippines as a location full of terrorism and perverts. It comes from a factory mentality of the masses the same sort of mentality that has a loud mouth in a curry restaurant shouting racist comments to staff and joking with his friends. Yet i doubt that person has been further than Spain on holiday and the views come from a father that lived in a different world where going abroad wasnt even a thought unless you were in military service.

So why the Philippines, for me it was not only that my wife is here but the way of life. Many people complain about the facts of poverty but i think a lot of it “personally” gets over exaggerated by NGO companies competing for funds. Ever heard a charity say everything is great here send no more money? Poverty is everywhere but you need to look at the big picture and view the world from Philippine eyes not Western views. If you lived in a Bamboo house all your life would you see yourself in Poverty? Your content you have food each day and spend more time with your family than the average working family in the UK. Ok you dont have a TV, a mobile phone or a car. But would you need them? Everyone that is close to you literally lives or works close to you. The transport system is cheap and efficent and sharing time with your family asking how the day went is something we should all be doing instead of watching tv.

  The family unit is very strong in the Philippines even when there are lots of under current disputes that even married to a Filipina you may never even find out about. But come a celebration most differences are put aside. There is also respect for those older than you which works from the top down. The grand parents have respect from everyone, the eldest child taking the next place, the children of the aunts and uncles respecting the aunts and uncles all the way down to the children who you will find as a male call you Kuya! a lot which basically means big brother and as a female Ate. They are given in respect and should be taken as such. When visiting others houses you will always be offered food out of respect. Often in the evenings before i would be sat outside with uncles sharing bottles of brandy and stories. But recently there have been a few changes and I havent done that on this trip.

The Philippine islands themselves are a mixed bag which makes it even more appealing. If you want city living you can head into one of the Major cities such as Cebu, Manila, Daveo. Which all have large department stores and market areas. The only down side is if you need something for a Laptop or any other high tech good you may need to import spares if they cant be found in the city. But if you head 30 - 40 mins out of the city you start hitting provinces and a lot of undeveloped land. Depending where you are this can be Beaches in Bohol, Rice fields in many other provinces or even mountains such as Cebu. But either way you can get away from it all and a bit more into the natural beauty of the Islands. You will find that as a foreigner not only is nearly every local happy to see you and give you a “hey Joe” with smiles you may be offered to sit and eat with them and chat. Generally i find in the Philippines there is no rush for anything and a term i picked up from Emily at Mercy in Action ( a british charity ) Things are on filipino time which basically means if your waiting for a car etc. It will get there when it gets there. Same with meeting people in restaurants many people are always late and dont see it as being a problem. The wealthier and higher the status the more time they are likely to be late by. Havent really had an issue with this myself but i know others who have.

I love the Philippines for all the above facts and many more. The climate, the people, loud music and customed vehices. All these factors make the place what it is.

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Philippines Retirement paradise or nightmare location?

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

After spending a lot of time listening to Retirees from various parts of the globe you seem to see a pattern emerging with the majority of them. Many are ex-service men who have either gone through divorce or death of a partner and decided they needed a change of life and pace. Maybe looking back at fond memories when they were in the Philippines during military service at happier times when living was cheap and many women were available for recreational activities.

Im not from that era and im not ready to retire. But the Philippines will become a bigger retirement location for expats as medical care is much cheaper than the U.S. , the climate is good, cheap dining, cheap staff, cheap housing, low taxation on existing (ie. if your just living here rather than owning a business its cheap to live). Infact there are very few bad points ive come across in the time ive been here. The age gap between many of the Expats living here can be 10s of years and amongst Expats the age difference doesnt seem to matter as everyone seems content, most of the time. You can buy a house here for as little as $20,000 (owned by your wife as legally a foreigner cant own the land it sits on).

So where does it go wrong?? The answer is very mixed because news reports of a foreigner being robbed and murdered or murdered after a breakin rarely is followed up to find the truth behind what really goes on. There was a British Citizen who was reported as struggling with bag snatchers on a motorcycle that then left him with multiple gun shot wounds and died at the scene. Another with a family from Sweden that had been beaten, murdered then the bodies set fire to in a bid to hide the evidence. But the information i have placed here is as about as much as the media and police give. The investigations may go on but i doubt any new information will ever be printed. The biggest issue that face retirees here is most are on small pensions and although they seem rich here they are living a modest content lifestyle mainly within the general populous of the Philippines which in others eyes can be seen as you being a rich foreigner and maybe easy pickings to rob. Where as the wealthier people live in secure compounds or secure sub-divisions. Most filipinos live as a family unit so safety in numbers can sometimes be a deterent to crime. But either way crime does seem to be on the increase with Foreigners here but quite simply i am more likely to come to harm in the UK than i would in the Philippines. People are generally nice and keen to make you a friend.

If i was offering advice i would say to rent a 1 - 2 bedroom apartment and shop around for a location dont buy something off the net they are inflated in price and may not be anywhere as good as it looks on the photos. Rental is cheap and if i wasnt so keen to do business here i would probably just rent a larger house to allow me to work on projects.  Dont wear expensive jewellery or clothing you dont need it. You can get custom made clothes made here at very low prices and have the benefit of picking your own materials not only will they fit better be to your own liking and lighter in this climate they will draw less attention. Never carry a lot of money or boast about your excess wealth everyone thinks your rich already and making such statements could be a risky but its also bad manners. But most importantly enjoy yourself, most of the population here and that of your new found friends are going to show you more interest than you would in get in your own country. Being older is respected here, being a foreigner and most of the population not being outside of the islands they will love to know about your home country. Your biggest problem will be offers from people asking if you want to meet theyre sister. Just relax do the tourist trails for a few weeks and get to find some good people you can trust. If you ever need any advice or help just drop me an email or visit the forums on my site at www.tropicalpenpals.com

MY goal and that of my wife is to promote the truth about the Philippines good and bad and the more people i can help enjoy life here or holiday visits the more it benefits these beautiful islands and its people.

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What is it about the Foreigner?

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

Its something i never experienced until i came to the Philippines. Just being a Western foreigner with white skin puts you in a whole new light. You could be pretty ugly, over weight, getting old but women still want to meet you and more often than not want to settle down with you. My question is why?? I know filipinas like most of Asia has an obsession with white skin. I didnt know of whitening soaps existance until i came to the Philippines. Filipinas also love blue eyes. Im not sure if they are looking at the husband to be or thinking how beautiful the children will be as family is a major thing here. Having a euro-filipino baby is something ive heard many women desire for and there is a lot of the televisions stars here which are of mixed race so maybe this has something to do with it. I just know its a puzzle im still trying to figure out. But if your a single guy with blue eyes, blonde hair and light skin your in the right place!! lol.. I can understand the financial benefits of having a foreign husband / boyfriend as the majority of the population are living very poor lives. Which wouldnt seem so poor if the media didnt promote such high standards of life on television. I just know as a foreigner here its like visiting disney land. As soon as i see the green land and the plane dropping altitude its like the front gates. Big smiles and happiness arrive! You enter the airport and although its a major pain going through immigration with the delay time it takes on the other side and heading out the main doors the feeling of im home! is amazing. 100s of taxi drivers trying to get you to take theyre cab at an over priced rate and the general chaos at that moment until i get to my home dont really matter because your home. . . From a foreigners perspective we are treated better than we would ever be in our own countries and the cheap living and beautiful people will keep more of us coming.

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Running a business in the Philippines

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

This is a topic thats a headache for me because quite simply im running against a tide of negative information and comments from many people who i have yet to see any of them actually trying to do a business inside the Philippines. Advice from most ” start with a large fortune if you want to make a small one in the Philippines” or that you cant trust anyone when it comes to money. The officials expecting bribes, the family expecting to take a large chunk of the business or thefts from family and staff. Now im trying to go against this tide because i know there are plenty of successful businesses in the Philippines but very few of them actually state what they are doing and also dont share information. Which as you can guess only leaves the negatives. Already this year ive been proven wrong about a family member who has left me out of a home and out of pocket. But like most families i believe there is always a bad apple even if you dont see them until something materialises. So im back on the horse and currently we have a small piggery business which has 10 pigs. We have enough scope to push this well above 50 but lets start small and see how it goes. The biggest problem ive seen in business in the Philippines is most people dont know what they are doing. They have lacked business experience back in home countries and maybe never even been in business before. Also many are still thinking in home currencies instead of Peso which means they expect unrealistic profits. Then there are issues with politicans and/or local gangsters forcing over ownership of businesses mob style tactics that keep foreign investment and knowledge at bay. Im going to prove this can work just give me time! Its easy to fail but to suceed just takes time.

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The sex tourist

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

The Philippines like most of asia suffers with a stigma of sex tourists. Ive now been here several times and although there is a sex industry which would be more open than most western countries admit the existance is about the same. If you know what you want someone will always direct you into an area which is used for such transactions and exchanges of service. Cebu many of the locations are round Mango square and mainly owned by foreigners. A lot of this industry developed in the Vietnam years where the Philippines was used as a base for recouping GIs in Manila such as Angeles city .This boomed the industry and flowed a lot of money into the Philippines economy. Its been a blessing and a curse to the Philippines and its people. This type of industry leaves a stereotype of what people do when they go to the Philippines aswell as what many people are expecting when they get there. Its something im strongly against but understand why people do it when many people struggle to eat each day and may have family obligations back in theyre province. So i cant really judge people for working in this industry as its a means to an end when the alternatives maybe just as bad or worse. The salaries are much higher than they would get elsewhere and although not a great deal of money they are in what would be the middle class bracket of finance if it existed in the Philippines. From what ive read and heard from news reports and old articles this industry is in decline. But even so the new breed of industry is all ready here in Cyber sex. Regularly these places are being raided on the news at least once or twice a week.

  The child abuser is another type of person using the Philippines, Thailand and many other parts of asia to exploit children. I just hope that laws will tighten up on these types of sex predator and not only to imprison these people but to also help change the narrow minded view many people have on visiting Asia. If you are visiting Thai land its assumed you are going to visit for lady boys or the Philippines you are a sex tourist these views need to change to help encourage more people to visit countries that badly need tourism as an Industry and with the increase of revenues maybe the sex trades will reduce as people begin to find other employments and less of a need to be working in the Industry

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The Philippines and its scams

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

There is a minority (yes minority!) of people who scam foreigners for money and in some cases have even murdered after marriage. But there is also the sex tourist who promises a girl everything and after a few days in a village/town/city and engaging in sexual relations with a young filipina hanging on to his every word disappears and is never seen again a lot of the time moving onto another location and spending 2 - 3 days with each woman that he has met via the internet overtime. Which if you do the maths and the fact that there is likely to be no birth control there is a chance of a lot of fatherless children being born into poverty.

So where is this topic going. Well im just trying to encourage people to think more before they react. The internet boom has created a lot of internet cafes in the Philippines and a lot of access to the net for people. Western guys easily hand over £20.00 (around $40) via Western Union without a second thought to people they have never met. Promises of love and affection and that aging heart feels 21 again soon blinds you and within weeks/months your sending regular funds. What you dont see is the facts from the other side.. that beautiful 24 yrs old virgin whos camera is always broken is a 45 year old married mother of 6 or maybe even a Bayot (gay). Either option is going to leave you heartbroken, out of pocket and unable to trust Filipinos. Which is totally unfair on the general population. The scams normally work something like this :-

you meet online and the conversations are general. How are you? How old? Where do you live? What is it like there? that sort of thing. . . but as you get closer you may start getting things like “my grandfather is ill and we have no money”. Next thing your sending a few dollars as it doesnt seem much to be giving. Then later on suddenly the girl has lost her job and cant help support her family, and appears to be crying (may not be on cam). So you think hey its only $200 a month ill match your salary dont worry! Then your hooked.. you now have someone you havent even met that is dependant on you for income and support. The scenario plays many ways but most end the same you arrive to finally met the woman youve talked to for months to find she isnt there to greet you at the airport, here cell phone is switched off and you never hear from her again. Positive side to that though is your now in the Philippines and can meet the real people but its a bit of a kick in the teeth if this is how your first visit starts. I have known of others with much worse stories who were infact engaged, rented an apartment for the fiancee while away back to the US and literally setup a second home in the Philippines to find out later the woman had multiple boyfriends sold the engagement ring and other gifts and played dumb when it came to confrontation of where the items went. Her neighbours kids that the guy enjoyed spending time with on his visit were infact his so called girlfriends kids and she was just hiding the fact. So be aware neighbours,family and friends may also lie to conceal the facts.

Similar can be said with the sex tourist who searches for Filipinas with high hopes of meeting a foreign guy and whos kidding people here.. most are looking for a better life! But only to be sold a dream that isnt going to happen. The guy arrives after all the promises and gifts and the beautiful Filipina is so proud to have this guy in her life who is handsome, smart and has a great job. A couple of days later he is recalled back to work after they have had a wonderful time together and the woman has given her virginity to this man but it doesnt really matter this is going to be my husband! He leaves and never heard from again. The young filipina is left with shattered dreams and may even be pregnant but even worse with someone interacting with so many women maybe also some form of STD and the shame she has now brought on her family.

My main point to this topic is a lot of the time the Filipinas get a much more raw deal than the guys. But either way its both wrong and shouldnt happen. Although its happening every day to 1000s of people and in increased numbers as the internet reaches more people and with increasing inflation in the Philippines.

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Getting around Cebu

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

One thing you will realise quickly is that there are multiple versions of public transport here and at the airport your first will be the white taxi cab. Which are generally used by the upper and what would be called the middle classes anywhere else but they are considerably poorer than similar doctors or teachers in the West Most salaries dont go anywhere near £200 a month. But the rise of the Telesales and call centres are offering salaries of around £300 a month. Getting back to transport. You will find the majority of the population and myself prefer to use different modes depending where we are going. If im going into the city to the SM Mall i would take the KMK bus as its airconditioned and runs the full route. But there are multicabs which run sections of road for less than 10pence for the first 4km and a reduced rate there after.

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many as 34 passengers. They appear to have replaced many of the original jeepneys that were original American Jeeps modified into passenger vehicles.Although i wouldnt like to be in a crash in one of these vehicles as they lack much strength most of the vehicles here are travelling at less than 40mph due to the traffic congestion and also traffics failure to have
break lights, indicators working or at night some vehicles have no lights at all. But i have yet to see one of these vehicles in a crash. Motorbikes yes and i wont offer people advise on tricycles as you need to make your own mind up. Because some locations there is no alternative.

I use the tricycle regularly because they drop me right outside my destination as you can see with the designs they are often covered with lights, aerials and other decorations to make them look pretty. They carry upto 6 passengers on the ones shown. But there is also smaller which is basically a motorcyle that has an extended frame. These are called “habal habal” on these you sit behind the rider and ive seen these types of motorbike carrying 4 passengers but ive heard from others of 6. The term “Habal Habal” is a bit of a joke term as its what pigs do when they are having sex and from the side of the bike due to the way people sit in front of each other its not too far from a similar picture.  The next mode of transport that i dont see much of around Cebu is BMX bikes with a side car which are generally used to run people up sub division roads from main roads. Ive also rode this type of vehicle but be warned at night they have no lights and could become a target of someone with poor eyesight.

For longer journeys there are buses and V Hire (V hire are basically just a minibus which is available for private hire). Driving i would avoid until you know a few people and know where your going. The traffic system here is no less than chaos. Flashing your head lights tells people your not stopping and are driving through! Beeping your horn tells people you are over taking or undertaking. Either way the majority of the population do not follow any real traffic system and you could end up with a trip to the hospital. Street signs i have only seen a few times and even if they were there they are too difficult to spot. So trying to drive round with a map is pretty useless unless your heading out to the provinces. One good bit of advice is find landmarks to find your way back. Motorcycle and scooter rental is available at very cheap rates but most are under maintained and the roads are dangerous for people with little knowledge of the area.

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Starting at the beginning

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under About US

As this is our first year of marriage it is also a great time to start the blog as the information will be more relevant as we struggle through the first year. I returned to the UK at the end of January to begin work and start planning to make our future in the Philippines. It was a very hard time for me and I had been forced to drop into factory work which I wouldnt say I hate but at the end of the day if you know your education can make you 3 - 4 times the salary than jetwashing down car parts you get the picture. But i did it and clocked up the hours 12 - 16 a day. I had made  a promise that we would buy a lot of land back in Cebu and with the current land price growth I was worried that not only may I end up breaking a promise but also the price could get hiked. I was just getting back above water, had purchased a laptop, a car so i could search further a field for work and some work although I was unsure on how long it would last. I was a bit down with such a poor salary but there was always tomorrow. By now I was starting to save money for the lot and the person selling was starting to ask when it was going to be paid, could we make a deposit? Which we did and it cleaned me financially out. But then a turn round in workload suddenly pushed my salary back up to where it usually is and we made the final payment. At last we now had a foothold in Cebu a place that we could now call our own.

I continued to work we had the land cleaned up a bit and began looking forward to creating out house. It was now heading towards the end of May and work had taken a downward turn due to company politics and rather than sitting on my hands waiting for it to pickup I made the decision to head home. I arrived in the Philippines at the start of June and currently still here. Since then we have bought piglets to fatten for market, built a piggery, bought a multicab and the typhoon knocked all our fences down on our lot. Currently everything is on hold until I go back to the UK due to starting to get a bit low on cash to start the house building, but after much thought and planning we have made the decision to make the house from shipping containers. Ive added a few photos below. Some of the lot and a coupe of the first stages of the house build plans.

As you can see its still got a long way to go but the location is at the top of some hills and the back of the lot has some great views. At the moment we need to concentrate on completing the fences before we start installing pads to take the containers. The driveway is also something that needs to be installed shortly. We have a couple of issues with the neighbours at the moment currently the water from washing down theyre piggery is flowing into our lot but hopefully the concrete wall foundations will put a stop to that. The other is the dumping of manure on the right of way. This will also stop once the concrete drive is built. One thing I like about the container type construction is that its fairly liveable in stages aswell as not having to worry about materials being stolen which is a major problem with hollowblock construction. We already own a welding machine the next thing we will be needing is some cutting tools and a forklift.

Although the plan doesnt look to great on here you get the idea. This is a 2 bedroomed bungalow but later another 3 containers will be added to make an upstairs area. The outside of the containers will be covered in reflective sheeted foam to reduce heat. Then cladded over. Once complete you are unlikely to recognise this as a container style of home. As many of the internal walls will also be altered to open the home up.

If its something your interested in too please feel free to email me or leave a comment.

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Sex in the City… Cebu that is.. Not NY

by Captb on Nov.19, 2008, under Philippines

Ive decided to make a second posting on this quite simply as it seems to have caught a lot of peoples attention. Regarding the sex tourist industry in Cebu. Its not an area i know a lot about because quite simply it doesnt interest me, im happily married but i know some of my friends when visiting the Philippines would be wanting to visit such locations. So ill just do a quick right up and see if anyone wants to know more, as although i know little about this i know plenty of people who do and i would prefer people if they are just coming to the Philippines for sex in the sun that they messed around with women that are in that trade rather than creating problems for women that really dont need you arriving and disappearing on a whim.

So where to start.. Firstly if your going to get involved in this trade you need to sort locations near the central part of Cebu city. Eddies Hotel is pretty close to where a lot of the bars are. But anywhere round the rotunda in Cebu and its near enough on your doorstep.

The locations marked in pen are places such as Lonestar, BJs and Vikings which are all near or in Mango Square, there are many more near these locations. Generally they are foreign owned and the way things are operated when entering the girls approach you and are likely to ask for drinks (as they get a percentage of every drink you buy). The mamasan (who is in charge of the girls) is probably your best friend in the bar so if your going to buy someone a drink buy her one and have a chat to your requirements. She is likely to be able to point you in the direction of an ideal girl. Then the term “barfine” is likely to be heard although after a few raids the term may have changed to something else. But basically you will be expected to “pay” for the girl to leave work early which varys depending on the bar you are in. Because sometimes the barfine includes the expense of the girl and sometimes it just pays for the girl to leave work. Your better discussing with the mamasan as to what is what or make a new buddy visiting at the same time. From what ive heard a barfine and girl can cost anything from £15 upwards as you need to negotiate your requirements with the girl.

Now before you jump on a plane and set yourself up  for a fortnight of pleasure please be aware of murders im not saying they happen all the time but murders do seem to be on the increase with tourists and the last one i remember involving a prostitute involved a guy taking a shower after sex and the women he slept with which is believed to be in a financial arrangement as his wife was at the construction site of her new home. Let someone into the hotel room who then proceeded to use an ice pick to stab him to death.

STDs are another area you should be cautious of and packing your own condoms. Because there are no statistics on HIV and AIDS doesnt mean it doesnt exist it just means the government is ignoring the fact. Have a happy holiday.

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